The interior wall it is hanging on is situated just a few inches off the centerline of my home. It is on concrete pillarsPaulIs that feet or inches? #11. Where I get concerned is when the weight is concentrated and near the outside walls.Reply.Leslie FayHey Paul! We simply use 1"x6" lumber to frame around the door. Copyright 1997-2023, buildingscience.com Corporation Click to reveal Floors is an industry term meaning 1 single-wide or 1/2 of a doublewide. ERI- There is a requirement when using the ERI method that mandates you follow the 2009 prescriptive code, no exceptions, which requires R-20 wall cavity or R-5 continuous and R-13 cavity. The sheathing and house wrap functions are being combined we already see hybrid OSB systems with an exterior surface that is also a water control layer. Hes recommending taking the siding off, putting up plywood and then wrapping with Tyvek and putting the siding back. It would make sense in some of the circumstances she describes.If you have the skills & energy, I think your efforts would be much more rewarded & rewarding if you applied them to a handyman stite built home. After that, all the savings go directly into your pocket. The MHINCC distinguishes among several types of factory-built housing: manufactured homes, modular homes, panelized homes, pre-cut homes, and mobile homes . It is the 2x6 stud, usually 8ft long, which are used for framing the exterior walls around the whole house. Mobile homes are built to handle snow loads and other stresses, so there may be enough strength to do what you plan, especially since what you describe spreads out the load.It may not apply in your case, but many mobile home owners dont realize the walls are supported on outriggers which are not designed to hold extra weight either. A. recently I noticed that the floors around the total perimeter of the house sagged anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2. Is it ok to take off the metal roof and cover the rafters with plywood and shingles, box it in, and install blown in insulation and add attic air vents? The homes were moved by teams of horses. Their job is to figure out the cheapest ways to meet, but not exceed the HUD standards. Ceilings. It is faster and cheaper to build and it provides a 5.5-inch cavity for insulation rather than a 3.5 inch cavity. While all of this weatherboard, clapboard and sheathing evolution was going on things were also happening with the other stuff used as infill between the posts and staves. The ceiling is sized to go from outside edge to outside edge of the house so the edge of the panel rests on the wall. 05-08-2017, 05:50 AM #3. The modern round wire nails began replacing square cut nails shortly before 1900. How come they look the way that they do? Amazing, but true. JonaI live in a 1978 double wide, not sure the make and model, I wanted to hang a swing in my sons room and was wondering if there should be studs or something in the ceiling to hang it from or if it would be a good idea, the swing is a cacoon like swing from IKEA. are cut and the electrical boxes installed. If a couple of tires go at once and the frame hits the ground, it can be bent, making future leveling impossible. One of the exterior side walls is lowered into place on a bead of caulk and fastened into place. I think it would probably even be cheaper since you would not have the costs of working on the existing roof. Openings for windows and electrical outlets are cut. You must be a magazine subscriber to access this feature. In addition, some homes built between 1967? Conclusion Newer manufactured homes that conform to HUD standards put in place in 1976 will provide a home that is built to weather the test of time. In 1958, the first double section off-site built home was constructed to a local building code, and thus the modular housing industry was born! For example, valuable land where no new homes were allowed. "Was there a time when brick foundation walls were in general use or is that also variable?". of Housing and Urban Development). thanks HenryPaulHi Henry,All links seem to point the HUD which is such an enormous organization I got lost trying to find anything useful. However, they are more fragile than site built homes so make a commitment to stay on top of maintenance if you decide to make this purchase.Best wishes,Paul. In terms of cavity insulation we are seeing a trend away from fiberglass batts to spray applied systems. Unlike a site built house there is NO extra weight bearing capacity. I dont know any way to be certain where the wires are except look.That said, they dont like to waste money running more wire than necessary. That equates to $.98 per sq/ft of living space. The answer to your question varies from location to location. And it gives extra room in the walls for insulation, plumbing pipes and electrical fixtures. Faith YoungHi Paul. Performance- I have passed using several different home designs. If so will it empty if you try to run it?The problem has to be close to the sink.Paul. There may or may not be a building paper between the clapboards and the sheathing. However most of this type of construction is in recent years (past decade) Lumber . Manufacturers and dealers love to blame each other so at least some manufacturers video tape the inside, Read More Mobile Home ManufacturersContinue, I am frequently asked for help finding someone who does good, affordable, repair work. Alan, That equates to $.98 per sq/ft of living space. Ceiling is sound right now with no problems that we can see. My question is about the stove plug. So if you work where you are not on a direct line between a wall switch and a factory installed ceiling fixture you are probably OK.Obviously, I have no way to be certain of that. Over time the wattle disappeared but the stucco stayed. For any nominal lumber dimension over 6 inches, the dimensional size will be inch smaller. These mobile homes were the type that went up like tinder boxes, before industry standards were in place. Could you add extra supports that are resting on the wall & marriage line? JohnI have an 89 FW reflections 1480. Outside of the board sheathing we typically have clapboards. The new roof extends over both the trailer and the addition. So far, so good.Thank you for the additional information about the outer walls being supported by outriggers. Is there any weight restrictions that we need to be aware/concerned about.PaulNot being an engineer I dont know any specifics. That's down 49% from its $1,515 all-time high on May 28. Pargeting is often referred to as the decorative relief in the plaster itself. Can I remove the flat ceiling and vault the ceiling? Maybe try giving the tank seals some time (hours/days?) These three really, really big things lead to one of the greatest construction booms in history and the advent of affordable housing. The total difference in cost to build your house with 2x6 exterior construction vs 2x4 is $2,149.90. As an additive lime turns out to be very desirable a lesson that seems to have been lost in more recent times. But the big unknown is whether it is possible to transfer the restructured onto a block foundation with floor trusses, dropping the metal frame underneath. These were movable beach-front properties built in the Outer Banks region of North Carolina. Building designs can pass the Michigan Energy Code with 2x4 construction. Read the old books. Floors are solid. They also dont waste a lot of time tacking wire to the studs inside the walls. This interior wall should NOT be structural . Between 1850 an 1870 sawmills retooled from up and down saws to circular saw. Good luck. The technology of timber framing dates back to pre-Roman times and everyone claims it as their own Japan, England, Scotland, Denmark, Norway, France, Germany.2Timber framing involved big pieces of wood held together with pegs and interlocking joints (mortise and tenon). What is 2x6 construction? In REM Design there is a built-in module that lets you easily determine if you pass the Michigan Energy Code. Guess what the animal dung was for? The floor of our home seem to be rippling . I am intending to use 1x 6 boards for the door, a metal track system from National Hardware, and a required 2x 6 board to attach everything to the wall. It may be best for me to install a complete shower kit and be on the safe side. Average U value- I have tried several times in ResCheck and could never get it to pass with 2x4 construction. If you want a boat guaranteed to not have wood, get a snark sailboat, an aluminum canoe or a blow molded plastic kayak. Insulation bats as laid on top of this and electrical wire pulled to the points it will come up through the floor and coiled in place. Electrical also runs wire from ceiling outlets, fans, bathroom vents, etc. Her roof is leaking. My house measures just over 8 which indicates my house has 2x6 studs with sheetrock & stucco covering the studs themselves. Although it is more expensive than 2-by-4-inch framing, 2-by-6-inch framing is used for a number of reasons. Five or six people can do all this in an hour or less. I am havingtrouble with the kitchen sink drain. Daniel Owens1996 Schult New Generation 16 X80 includes 4 tongue. Were houses insulated in the 1950s? That risks cracking old ductwork, etc. Brian1968 Taylor mobile home at the beach. Early on I was a creationist,1 now I am an evolutionist. PROBLEMS - Over time, the shingles will succumb to the weather. As wood frame building technology evolved the timber frames tended to get completely covered with lath-and-daub thereby protecting the timber frame. As I was researching this project I ran across a similar study on a 2,350 sq/ft house with similar details and the author came up with a total cost increase of $1,951.56 or $.83 per sq/ft of living space. The factory handles the home itself; the dealer is responsible for making sure the home was ordered properly and any optional features are installed properly, the setup company is responsible for setting and leveling the home, and hooking up the water, gas and electricity. When they delivered newer homes they started pulling the axels when they set the home. Anyone wanting to move one of them has to find/buy/rent them. Posted October 25, 2013. I never tried anything like that. to seat and then tighten again? Sits on Jacks that sit on dirt. The trailer has many add one already.rexPaulI think a wall section will spread the weight out so it is not a problem. Insert a straight edge into the gap as far as it will go and note the measurement on the stud framing the door or window. Back To Top. Could we place a support beam across the ceiling, or would that have to much weight for the house?PaulIm sure that with the proper support in the ceiling and possibly some extra support under the home it can be done. TiaI have a very old single wide mobile home 1046 (built in the 1950s or 60s I believe.). wired into place. Examine any unfinished exterior wall in the basement or in a closet and measure the width of the studs. There was also a 7 foot hole cut into the side of the mobile home for an addition that is no longer usable. It seems like a huge expense. Lets look at some insulation options relative to a baseline of 2x4 with R-15 batt: The cost to build with 2x4 prescriptively is extremely high, adding up to $6,264 in costs. Im also wondering if we can remove the existing trailer ceiling/roof to see straight through to the new roof. The Division of Housing's Building Codes & Standards (BCS) Section protects Colorado citizens by regulating diverse and unique aspects of the state's residential and nonresidential construction industry in partnership with local governments, the federal government, other state agencies, and the private sector. You will have much better luck looking at the architectural style or, as most towns in Ontario have very good archives, checking for references to it or it's neighbours there. 2023 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. A collection of one thousand construction details organized by climate and house part. Scope Construct framed walls using advanced framing details like using the minimum amount of wall studs permitted by code to reduce thermal bridging and allow more space for insulation. In the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (HUD) Title 24, Sbtitle B, Chapter XX, Part 3285 describes Model Manufactured Home Installation Standards, given for 2022 and older years in the list below. Compared to the weight of book cases, aquariums, water beds, pianos and other things people move into mobile homes your guests total weight is small.The heaviest point load on the floor will come from the high heels some of your guests will be wearing. The weight will be directly over the I beams which is good.I dont know what sort of feet come on pool tables but if you wanted to distribute the weight you might consider putting down some plywood squares under the table. They will dry out and start curling around the edges. I was told this happened because of the weight of the drywall.Today I reinforced the exterior perimeter with 44s every 4 feet to maybe help combat this from going further. Chris Deziel has a bachelor's degree in physics and a master's degree in humanities. From mud huts and megalithic stones to mega highways and skyscrapers, the evolution of construction reflects mankind's ever . It started gaining popularity very early in the 20th century. Then plywood began to be replaced with oriented stand board (OSB) in the 1970s. The edges of the studs are coated with liquid glue and pre-cut panels, which will become the inside wall of the house, are stapled into place. We have a roof built over our trailer (and existing addition alongside); I want to open up between the trailer and the addition. The second really big thing was the development of machine made nails. Our home is on a poured concrete basement that still looks good and solid. Then, if the house is getting a shingle roof, plywood or OSB decking is nailed over the trusses. That is NOT a place you want to experience.Paul, KaraHi there! That means a contractor who does that kind of work has to bid higher. ft Other tips on age. Return the toilet as defective and try a different one? Someone uses a router to cut notches into all the exterior wall studs and wire for the wall outlets is stapled in these notches. The price of nails fell so fast that by the 1850s nails cost less in Chicago than the tax on European nails. Sometimes the hitch was welded on so skirting around it would be much cheaper than removing it. Thats what a thousand years of evolution will get you. That's what the term 16 OC, or 'on center' means in construction lingo. Timbers are coated with tar. So if you see such framing and are wondering how it passed, they probably also used blue insulation on the outside, or something else to achieve r20. Does this sound feasible? Use of the term varies with geography and age. 2x6 construction homeimprovementdiva 13 years ago What is better 16 O.C. Mobile homes as we know them today came about in 1926 with automobile-pulled trailers or "Trailer Coaches." These were designed as a home away from home . Alan, Still, fundamentals in the lumber complex continued to be supported by tight supplies and prospects of a rebound in home construction. Should I do anything? The outside walls are very often 2x6, and of course there are tons of 2x4 walls in the interior that need headers. Is it run up from the floor, through the wall, or down from the ceiling?PaulUp from the floor. Mobile Homes built before 1976 were constructed to much lower standards than those built later. So what was the function of the building paper? Thanks.PaulWay over my pay gradeIt sounds possible but I would try to be sure there were no regulatory hangups after you had already written big checks. While I can take or leave 'Stumpy Nubs' brand of humor, I thought this was pretty good - a Roubo-style workbench made from 2x6 construction lumber, complete with dogs and spots for holdfasts. AlisonMatt, Im wanting to do the same thing. The standards that must be met depend on where the home will be located. PaulHi Paul; I want to add a 30x16 porch to a 12x65 trailer, will the outside wall sustain the roofweight or should Iuse 44 under the 2x6x30 board?PaulDont add ANY weight to the home! Why cant we build with 2x4? Its been well maintained over the years and Ive done some work. So I had 1/4 inch sheetrock installed over and glued to the panel board, ripped out the kitchen and bathrooms and replaced with standard cabinets and bath fixtures, replaced the carpet with laminate flooring, and replaced all the plumbing, lighting, windows, and doors. 1.1: What Is OSB? It began with the purely functional need for a controlled environment to moderate the effects of climate. Problem was it looked like trailer decor and I couldnt stand looking at it every day. Hi Kevin, i have attached a few photos, they are the best my phone can take, i can dig out the camera if need be, i found some flat nails when i was removing the fiberglass in the headers for the cellulose, so i assume that is what the house is made of A 2x4 wood fame with studs at 16 inch centers with 1 inch thick board sheathing installed horizontally (sometimes diagonally if any adults were involved or if there was access to a structural engineer) on the exterior and wood lath and plaster on the interior. Assembly. That seemed to signal the end of lumber's roller . I was wondering if there was a quick way to find out where the wires are. Alan, Saw marks don't photograph well; but the lower part of the photo is clear enough to tell it was cut by a circular saw mill. VickyI have a 1978 Conch Double Wide with a standard pitch roof. The interior boards may have been an experiment in putting the sheathing on the interior so it could double as lath. would the trusses hold the extra wieght?HELP !!!PaulNo. It was fairly common for older wood-framed buildings to have siding installed directly on the studs, without any intervening sheathing. Advertisement 3 There are plenty of other benefits from building with 2x6 construction, energy just isnt one of them. There is a really nice discussion of this on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stave_church). I was taught site built homes can handle three layers of shingles. That should make things much easier! My house looks mostly like the victory style in that pdf file, but not quite, and i am surrounded by Regency, Edwardian, and some late Victorian. And for us more progressive folks I see a much greater thickness of exterior insulating sheathing and a hybrid cavity fill an R-50 wall. The marks of a larger circular saw will look nearly straight on a small board but will run across at a noticeable angle.. Working in construction for years I am able, but have no experience with mobiles. I cant imagine who would have plans from 1976. Electrical and Assembly. 1949 National Trailer: 1949 National Trailer Thanks for the replies Martin and Malcolm, when i moved in the blower door registered 17.68ACH50 (i have a crummy crawlspace) and with a few repairs i am now at 14.85ACH50 so i have a lot to do still, but i do hope that once i airseal the ceiling and dig out and poly the crawl i should have it reduced quite a bit. I would like to install a ribbed metal roof over it on perlings. The Norwegians and Swedes are well known for their vertical board-and-batten siding the origins of which can be directly traced back to their ancient stave churches (Photograph 1). G.LeeMy son had a 1992 single wide set up on my parents farm, which I bought to live in it while I cared for aging parents. (better) code is good. I find that difficult because repair people tend to work in a very limited area and there is no way for me to hear about them. I have a canopy bed and it will not fit!PaulHi Tammie,No.Mobile home ceilings rely heavily on truss construction that provides maximum support with minimal use of materials. So, the main reason this design passed is the cooling load was lower than the increase in the heating load, not by much, but it was lower. Do you have a idea for me it would be helpful thanks! Construction was financed with a $101,250 Federal Emergency Administration grant and a voter-approved $137,000 bond issue, approved by 70% of the electorate. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7a277ab26c053b50 No comments to show. The problem is that after all that time and effort you would still have an old mobile home or an old trailer. are normally provided by the dealer or a contractor working for him. I have a 1978 hillcrest mobile home. I am of the opinion that necessity is the mother of all invention and that has principally driven the evolution of wood frame design. Or could your house have been converted from a carriage house? Transitional Farmhouse style home plan with 4 bedrooms and 3.5 baths is designed with 2x4 exterior wall framing but can be ordered with optional 2x6 framing for a $275 fee ( Plan #142-1185 ). In April, new housing starts backed off 8% from a 14-year high set in March 2021; however, that level of construction is up 67% from its bottom in April 2020 and up 22% from April 2019. The temptation will be to ship them anyhow. Left the flat metal in place. Alan, Unfortunately there is no reliable way of fixing the date of a building by sizing the wall studs. The barn door replaced the old, hollow-core door to my bathroom. I wanted to put a 7-foot pool table in the living room, which is in the middle of the house (the largest room). Did water get under it, was the soil not properly compacted, etc. $1.95 sq/ft- 2x4 construction, 1" exterior foam board and R-13 cavity. This study was conducted to reveal the truth about the energy savings from 2x6 construction. Answer (1 of 4): If you know how to use a simple measuring stick a.k.a. 2x6 walls are bigger than 2x4 walls. I have about a a 12X12 tear in my floor insulation, of course, under my ac ducting. They're harder to lift and the headers on exterior walls require more work. I think you are going to find a plastic vapor barrier, insulation and trusses above your tile. Your IP: Many handymen wont work on mobile homes which makes the problem more difficult. It also lead to the introduction of layers of horizontally installed boards thicker than the clapboards - called sheathing all for the purpose of supporting the clapboards. The nominal 2x4 thus became the actual 1 x 3, imperceptibly, a fraction of an inch at a time. VeronicaHi I am wanting to buy a mobile home1979 1464 the roof seems it needs repair. I would step all around toilets, sinks, windows, doors, etc. The nails allowed us to get rid of complex joinery no more mortise and tenon and allow relatively unskilled folks to nail together mass produced small sticks (2x4s and 2x6s and 2x8s) spaced closely together in a light frame. I am of course talking about walls. Should it be.PaulLeave it the way it came from the factory. It was not a water control layer. If this happens and is not corrected, the walls have voids which are going to reduce the efficiency of the heating and cooling systems. "Any idea why they would have used barnboard then plaster then lath then plaster again and no exterior sheathing?". You'd need to know if it's furring strips or a stud wall (one-by, 2x4's or 2x6's?). Look for drips under the water heater. As I was researching this project I ran across a similar study on a 2,350 sq/ft house with similar details and the author came up with a total cost increase of $1,951.56 or $.83 per sq/ft of living space. (Yeslots of money not wisely spent I knowI knowI knowbut had to live there much longer than planned and I couldnt stand the added depression from living in ugly.) The safe weighs 500 pounds and will end up being 600 pounds fully loaded. This continuous historical price chart for Lumber futures (LB, CME) is part of a huge collection of historical charts that covers decades of North America futures / commodity trading. All this gets us balloon framing. Without the roof in place the walls have no lateral support.If you want a cathedral ceiling, which I can understand, you need to shop for a home that already has one.Paul, TerryHi: My wife and I bought a 1976 Barrington Mobile Home, our celling truses are 2+2. Ive had several spots that leaked due to snow on the roof (I live in Iowa and the polar vortex last year wasnt easy on my roof). The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. Construction is an ancient human activity. Is it functional? Photograph 4: Waltrop HouseGermany, 1400, wattle-and-daub infill panels with an exposed timber frame. It will open a new window and you will have to scroll down to see the article. At this point i doubt i ever will, according to Hot2000 if reduced to 7 ACH50, and insulate the attic and basement (i am considering spray foam directly on basement brick if thats safe to do) the heat load will be down to 24250BTU at -20C which is just over 1/3 of what i started with. We have been using 2x6 wall framing here in the northwest in conjunction with the BPA Super Good Cents program for almost 20 years. I had a roofer (who has worked on mobile homes) tell me that he can remove the metal roof, lay OSB, and install a rubber sealed roofing material. The end of World War II caused the modular market to truly explode and greatly evolve. Legend has it that the first cargo shipped from Jamestown back to England included clapboards for barrel making. Im wondering if my electrical connection is under the trailer or in the walls? If that is the case with yours removing them is fine. The 1980s. Traps have been set. Would the floors be able to handle this? teriI have a neighbor that has a 1974 mobile home with a rubber roof that he cant stop the leaks so he is putting on a shingled roof with joists every 2 ft. Will the side walls hold this much weight?PaulWho knows? Decks, skirting (underpinning) etc. Thanks for the opportunity to respond.PaulPlugging the ends would keep wasps from making nests there, but the heat might do that anyhow. 2019 OZERCC: Part I Commercial construction - ASHRAE Standard 90.1-2016 - Effective Oct. 1, 2019 International Energy Conservation Code (IECC) 2019 OZERCC: Part II Multi-family construction - 2018 (IECC) - Effective Oct. 1, 2019 What if you opened the trap and worked on the nearby lines?Your diswasher comment bothers me a little. Liquid glue is spread on the top of the floor joists and frame members, and sheets of tongue-and-groove plywood or OSB are nailed in place. A. I'm sure that the demise of brick foundations happened at different times in different areas. Image taken by Frode Inge Helland. I see the industry standard wall for most of North America circa 2015 being 2x6 advanced frame at 24-inch centers with exterior foam insulating sheathing and a spray applied cavity insulation lined with gypsum board (Photograph 5). The two ends are still solid but also starting to pull away.PaulWork with the idea you want things to touch firmly, but NOT add any weight anywhere. It will be 51/2 inches if you have 2-by-6-inch studs and 3 1/2 inches if you have 2-by-4-inch studs. Cavity wall insulation was first introduced during the 1970s, becoming compulsory in the 1990s for all new UK buildings. Pay particular attention along the walls and any place there is a roof penetration. There were trailers for camping and large mobile homes for full-time living. I have a 1986 D/W. Average U value- I have tried several times in ResCheck and could never get it to pass with 2x4 construction. Oh, some of the exterior and interior linings have changed and we did begin to fill the cavities inherent in frame construction, but the fundamental structural system of walls has not changed much over the past 150 years. It was braced in 1 spot before I got it. It was a 34 percent reduction in actual volume; as those in the trade would say, it's "selling air.".
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